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pegkerr ([personal profile] pegkerr) wrote2009-05-06 02:29 pm
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H1N1 Flu

It has arrived at Fiona's high school. Two cases have been confirmed, but following the new protocol, the school will not close.

All right, I'm nervous, but not panicked. I knew this would have to happen eventually.

What I did today to make the world a better place: Took about ten pairs of the girls' outgrown shoes to church for recycling. (The materials will be ground up and used as the base material in sidewalks.)

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Having already dodged the bullet in Mexico, yes.

Well, the cases we're getting don't seem to be more serious than normal flu, yet (which is serious enough, but almost always for people already in trouble).

I'm still wondering if it somehow magically moderated when it left Mexico (which seems really weird), or what's going on. Maybe there's a second round that's going to happen and be like Mexico (and the first round in Mexico was missed). More likely some more prosaic error has made things look worse there than they are.

[identity profile] thenines.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Working with seriously immuno-supressed patients in NYC, we've been receiving daily CDC updates; the news regarding why H1N1 hit Mexico so hard and the rest of the world less violently is mainly due to cultural behavior around illness. In general, the people of Mexico only seek a doctor's care when they are very seriously ill -- "routine care" is still very rare, and homeopathic remedies are still used in 9 of 10 cases of routine illness. When flu-like symptoms appeared for H1N1, those affected treated it like a normal flu -- and only sought physician assistance when they were so ill that their chances of surviving any normal influenza were spotty. Mexican clinics and hospital services being what they are in the affected geographic regions (open waiting areas, non-private treatment rooms, etc), those carrying the illness in advanced stages exposed others who were also seriously immuno-compromised (because of the tendency to only seek care when seriously ill). That started a cycle where the weakest people were exposed to a new illness -- never a good situation.

The illness was passed to countries where healthcare is sought more routinely, for less serious issues (those Americans with health insurance and easy access to facilities are quick to avail themselves, and there's no stigma of weakness attached to seeking medical attention). Those who are contracting the flu are those who are in "germ factory" situations -- closely quartered buildings like schools, cramped offices, etc -- in other words, the same population that contracts any other influenza.

Peg, as far as easing your nervousness, it makes sense for you to call your family physician and explain about the trip to Mexico and the bacterial illness that affected your family, and see if s/he recommends any additional precautions for you or the girls. And make sure they know the proper way to wash their hands in public restrooms (turn on the faucet, let the water run warm, wet hands, add soap, scrub (not under water) for 15 seconds (sing through "Happy Birthday" twice), rinse well, dry hands with a paper towel, then use the towel to turn off the faucet and open/close the door).

The thing to remember is that this flu is not behaving as a pandemic -- a strain of illness which strikes the young and healthy (teenagers and young adults) rather than the physically weak (infants and seniors) -- and isn't an unchecked epidemic, either. It's a new version of the flu that we need to be cautious of, but needn't go zipping ourselves into biohazard suits.
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[personal profile] naomikritzer 2009-05-06 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
dry hands with a paper towel, then use the towel to turn off the faucet and open/close the door

I am not sure whether the Minneapolis public schools make paper towels available to students washing their hands. It may be just air dryers.

[identity profile] thenines.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
With air dryers, faucets should be automatic off, so there's no need to twist knobs. If no disposable towels are available, a call to the school nurse to urge that appropriate handwashing procedures for the equipment available are posted in all public restrooms isn't unwarranted.

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The patient behavior explanation of the difference, and the fact that the experts think the difference has been accounted for, haven't made the news that I've heard. Which goes to support the argument that they ARE over-hyping it NOW and the last few days.

Thanks for explaining!

[identity profile] thenines.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The media hype may well be credited with limiting the spread of the illness; CDC and every other public health agency would give eyeteeth for this kind of steady coverage that leads to positive behavior change with regard to easily communicable disease. I'm not seeing anything intentionally alarmist on our news in the city, but am very glad that the coverage is unceasing.

Glad to assist.

[identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, gaaack, that's R's high school as well. Sigh.

[identity profile] folk.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That must be concerning, but everything I've read seems to indicate that it's a fairly mild flu, especially if one gets dosed with Tamiflu. I'm sure you're concerned as a mother, of course!

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
This is the most overhyped, ridiculous thing of the year so far.

So far, in the last month, worldwide, it's killed about 1/3 the number of people that normal flu kills every week in just the US.

It's not a bad flu, and it's not particularly contagious. It's just the mass media with nothing to do.

[identity profile] dd-b.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, and if they hadn't taken immediate action and it had turned out to be as virulent as the early data from Mexico suggested, no doubt you'd be saying they screwed that up, too.

The media may have been noisy, but the medical authorities were being pretty serious too.

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Not at all.

Certainly the initial response and the first week or two's news coverage was NOT overblown, either by CDC, WHO or the media. I'm really happy that everyone is aware of possible pandemics. I am not complaining about that at all.

But it's been apparent for many days that this is now not really a serious threat, but they keep covering it because they've got nothing else to do.
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[personal profile] althea_valara 2009-05-06 08:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

A friend of is a nursing student and asked one of her professors about it. Here's her response. She doesn't seem very concerned about it, so I am choosing not to worry myself.

[identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope by this you aren't saying that my response is ridiculous or overhyped.

Yes, I am familiar with the statistics on flu. I do recognize that ordinary garden-variety influenza does kill lots of people every year. That's why I make sure that everyone in my family gets a flu shot each year. And yes, I've been following the news and realize that this strain is turning out to not be as virulent as first feared. As I said, I'm not panicking/pulling Fiona out of school, or anything like that. I'm simply noting that the H1N1 has arrived on our doorstep. As I knew it must.

[identity profile] johnridley.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Certainly not, I'm talking about the media. The initial response and keeping people aware of it and pushing basic hygiene was good. But at this point it's pretty clear that it's just another darn flu. Still something to keep an eye on, since flu can sometimes do funny stuff, but pumping hysteria is just cheap.

[identity profile] merimask.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit, with your trip to Mexico I was nervous anyway.

Hopefully it's no more dangerous than any other flu strain. The scariest part is that none of us have any defense against it 'cause it's brand new.

See if your doc will let you stock up on Tamiflu...I hear this strain really responds well to it.

[identity profile] sternel.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuzzy logic: Inoculation works by exposing oneself to the disease in question to allow the body to activate its natural defenses.

So the answer is really quite simple. MOAR BACON.

(I know, I know. But any excuse for bacon, right?)

[identity profile] auriaephiala.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
A Canadian lab has sequenced the virus and determined what's in Canada (and presumably the US) and what's in Mexico is the same strain of the virus. They think the differing mortality has got more to do with underlying health issues. I wouldn't worry too much -- just keep handwashing etc.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/05/06/swine-flu-sequencing060.html

[identity profile] arian1.livejournal.com 2009-05-06 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Hamthrax! Everybody panic!

[identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com 2009-05-07 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
It's acting like the regular flu so unless my child had other health concerns I wouldn't be worried.


Hahaha I read:

Hamthrax! Everyone picnic!

[identity profile] shakespearechic.livejournal.com 2009-05-07 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, our local school district as well as most of the surrounding ones have been closed all week. Ah, Texas.