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pegkerr ([personal profile] pegkerr) wrote2004-12-08 01:40 pm

This is a rather . . . unorthodox method

Parents strike to protest messy kids.

I have to think that it would have been easier for them if they had pushed the issue more when the kids were younger.

[identity profile] cornfields.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
They sound uber-spoiled to me. This "strike" won't do a bit of good...

[identity profile] aome.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with you - although I'm also appalled that they're debating whether or not it's considered child abandonment, given that the parents are still on the property and within immediate shouting distance if the kids need anything.

[identity profile] copperwise.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Little late to be trying to fix what should have been instilled in toddlerhood.
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[personal profile] vass 2004-12-08 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
*grits teeth a bit*

"Should have" doesn't do the kids any good now. Neither does "too late" - they're twelve and seventeen, they and society will have to cope with whatever skills they can pick up in the next seventy-odd years. Giving up isn't exactly an option.

They'll either learn or live in squalor, and I'd rather they had practical guidance and support on how. Speaking as someone with lifelong organisation and houskeeping problems.

[identity profile] copperwise.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed. But it should be a lesson to parents of children who are small now. Instill it now, or this is what's coming up when they're teens.

I also have housekeeping and organisational issues, and sometimes my house is just barely above squalor. But I didn't have those issues when I lived with my parents, because there were consequences. And the day my parents "begged" or "pleaded" with me would have been a cold, cold day in Hell.

If you're pleading with your 12 year old, you've already lost control.

[identity profile] whapnoggin.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Reminds me of the story about the family who couldn't get their 18-year-old to move out, so they all packed up and disappeared while he was away on a trip.

[identity profile] wilfulcait.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, sometimes even kids who "got it" at one point need to have things reinforced for them. (Speaking as a person whose mother "ran away from home" for a week when I was 15, because she'd gone back to school and had finals, and we weren't responding appropriately by picking up more of the domestic stuff.) Although if it were my kid, SHE'D be in the tent. Damned if I'd be run out of my own house.
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[personal profile] pameladean 2004-12-08 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno. I remember being twelve. One is always "just going" to do whatever that boring irrelevant thing is.

The story reminds me irresistibly of the episode in Little Women when Marmee goes on strike. And really, if any set of children had domestic virtues dinned into them from the cradle, it must be those four. I never could quite get into that episode as the author probably wanted me to, though, because Beth's bird was let die just to teach her a lesson, and then she was comforted with the offer of another one.

P.

[identity profile] dejaspirit.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That's ridiculous. If Elise refused to take out the garbage it would end up in her bedroom until she did.

I get slightly annoyed with the whole "I can't control my kids" stuff. My parents raised nine of us, and without ever hitting us all she had to do was look at us and I would jump.

If I disobeyed something, my father would never yell, he would leave me a chore list three pages long and I would go nowhere, do nothing, and wouldn't be allowed near the phone until it was done. Period.

And as for the lawn thing? They would have moved me out before they moved out.

[identity profile] nmalfoy.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Your parents did the right thing: if they said they were going to punish you, they did. Their threats were not empty, unlike so many of the threats I see parents make.

[identity profile] dejaspirit.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, and they NEVER spanked me. Not once. None of us. There was always work to be done and if we screwed up, guess who spent Saturday doing it...
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[personal profile] vass 2004-12-08 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I get slightly annoyed with the whole "I can't control my kids" stuff. My parents raised nine of us, and without ever hitting us all she had to do was look at us and I would jump.

Some children are harder to control than others, though. I guess with nine children you'd see a pretty wide cross-spectrum.

I'm the youngest of three, and my brother and sister were fine, but my parents' position is that I was genuinely impossible to control. Screamed for hours nonstop for no reason. Bit and kicked.

At twenty-four I'm still learning some things people are 'supposed' to have learned in early childhood. It's *extremely* tempting to blame someone, my parents or me, but blaming won't get my teeth brushed or my floor cleared.

[personal profile] cheshyre 2004-12-09 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The Boston Globe Magazine had an interesting and disturbing article on how more parents are negotiating with their kids rather than being firm, and some of the ramifications as these little lawyers (as the article calls them) grow up.
[Garnered a lot of letters, too.]

[identity profile] nmalfoy.livejournal.com 2004-12-08 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Why are most parents so afraid to punish their children, esp. when the kids are young? Then they seem so shocked when their kids grow up to be brats.

[identity profile] amandageist.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
Because you get the people coming up to you in the parking lot, as you're trying to contain your tantruming, screaming, writhing, struggling child, who inform you that they're considering calling the police because you're abusing your child.

This happened to my husband. Our daughter was four, he had removed her from church for being disruptive, she was having a tantrum in response, he was trying to carry her to the car, and she flung herself backward will all her might. He just barely caught her before her head hit the pavement. A woman approached and told him she'd seen him throwing our daughter down and was going to report him. To his credit, he thanked her for her concern and invited her to do so. She didn't. But if she had, I doubt not that we'd be under review by child protective services even as we speak.

~A

[identity profile] nmalfoy.livejournal.com 2004-12-09 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
What does a parent do, then? I have seen well-behaved kids out there, but I don't know how their parents accomplished the feat.

Interesting what you said about child protective services: We've got a real problem with it in Texas. They are desperately short of caseworkers. The woman who cut her daughter's arms off? Had been investigated by CPS for neglect. Obviously they found nothing wrong. Then there were two cases just a few months ago, with children being beaten to death. One parent had been investigated by CPS five times prior to the child's death; the other six times. What's sad about Texas is that calling CPS is an empty threat.

As to the woman in the parking lot? Sounds like she's never been a parent.

[identity profile] amandageist.livejournal.com 2004-12-10 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting what you said about child protective services: We've got a real problem with it in Texas. ... What's sad about Texas is that calling CPS is an empty threat.

We live just south of San Antonio. I didn't consider it an empty threat; despite the sad situation of CPS here, my husband has co-workers whose children call and report abuse in retaliation against their parents' attempts to control them.

There is no system that will catch everything, alas. And it always seems that when the searchlights of any government entity turn in my direction, I never manage to be one of the ones that fall through the cracks.

~Amanda "one of the lucky 45,000 people nationwide selected for a random IRS audit in 2003" Geist

[identity profile] amandageist.livejournal.com 2004-12-10 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)
What does a parent do, then?

I usually tell them I'll sell them on eBay.

~A
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[personal profile] naomikritzer 2004-12-08 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I think they're more interested in attention than in parenting. If my kids ever drive me so crazy that I decide to go on strike, I will refuse to do their laundry, drive them places, or cook for them. I will not move out of my house and live on the front lawn for the amusement of the TV viewing audience.