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pegkerr ([personal profile] pegkerr) wrote2005-01-12 07:29 am

The Giving Tree, urgh

I was looking at various critics' list for best 100 books, and ran across The National Education Association's list of 100 best books for children.

Right at the top is Shel Silverstein's The Giving Tree, and I think urgh, urgh urgh.

To me, The Giving Tree is a loathsome, evil book.

I'm a Christian, but to me the message of that book is just twisted, and certainly not a picture of what true Christian giving should be like, although I am sure there are many that would argue otherwise. It is clear that the author approves of the tree (Edited to add: or perhaps he doesn't; perhaps it's meant as a cautionary tale). The tree is always referred to as she, and she gives up her apples, her branches, and eventually the wood of her trunk to a selfish, greedy boy. When he is an old man, he sits on her stump. That's the payoff: "And the tree was happy."

I rewrote the story once because it disgusted me so much. I wish I had a copy of my rewrite (Edited to add: I remember now: I titled my rewrite The Sharing Tree). When he asked for apples, she told him to take half the apples and sell them for fertilizer to put around her trunk, and then she could make even more apples, so there would be some for him, but she would not be bereft. I think at one point she told him to apply yet more fertilizer so she would be even bigger and stronger, and then invited him to make a tree house in her (much larger) branches, using the extra wood she had grown big enough to spare, and invite all his friends over so that he would not be lonely. In the end, she was a mighty tree indeed, with many extra apples and many extra branches, with a breezy tree house up above and a whole happy, thriving community around her roots. My point was, she could give to him without maiming and destroying herself. And goddamn it, why did he have to be so selfish, anyway? Why did he (male) always get to be the taker, and she (female) always have to be the giver? Couldn't there be ways that he could take and she could give that wouldn't involve her destruction, but instead her being nurtured by him? Why was she happy that he parked his bony ass on her in the end, destroyed by giving herself up for him, when he had done nothing for her? How could the author approve of this?

I think it's an awful message, both for girls and for boys.

So? Do you agree or disagree?

Edited to add (again!): Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] mereilin, who provided a link to a symposium at the always interesting First Things about the book.

[identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, Brian. Thanks for introducing yourself.

I must admit I'm rather confused by your answer, however. I was condemning the selfish boy who grows up to be the old man in the story. Not the Lord. I don't see how you read my entry otherwise.

As far as being ashamed of what I wrote: well, I did make a New Year's resolution to swear less, yes.

But I hope I will always condemn selfishness. And I'm not ashamed of that.

(Anonymous) 2005-01-12 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
The word "goddamn" means "God, go to hell." I was condemning your use of that term, especially after stating that you are a Christian.

Admittedly I have been known to cuss myself, but I do NOT use that particular term. That's all I was condemning. I didn't mean anything against your rant against "The Giving Tree." In fact, I found it very interesting, as I have never thought about it in that way.

Brian

[identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
To my experience, the term "goddamn" means that the object of the word deserves to be damned by God, not that God deserves to be damned himself. I've never heard the definition you use.

[identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't either. I certainly didn't mean it that way, I assure you.

[identity profile] cpolk.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
*blink*

um, comment from the heathen, but I've always, always read Goddamn as "God, please consign this whatever to the pits, as I know it deserves that fate, and we all know how much you value my opinion on this stuff."

But, anyway. cussing naughty.

[identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
*sigh* and I'm trying to cut back. Words are powerful. As an author, I certainly know that.

[identity profile] cloudscudding.livejournal.com 2005-01-12 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe that "goddamn" originates from "god-damned" and changed sometime during the Regency period in England, when ' was frequently substituted for -ed. So it went from "damned by God" to "god-damned" to "god-damn'" to "goddamn." And is generally used to imply that something is bad enough that God would damn it to hell.

Or something like that.

[identity profile] psychic-serpent.livejournal.com 2005-01-13 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I stand by my original assessment that this was a unique way to interpret "goddamnit." No one else I've ever come across thought it meant damning God, rather than asking God to damn something. (And it's not the inclusion of "damn" that makes it a no-no Commandment-wise; it's the inclusion of "god." If Peg had just written "dammit" it would have had exactly the same meaning, the "god" part implied--because no one else can damn, technically.)