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pegkerr ([personal profile] pegkerr) wrote2006-04-26 10:32 pm

Just got back from seeing "United 93"

I expect I will have trouble sleeping tonight. The reviews are right. It is gripping and absolutely excruciating. I think it was absolutely respectful, and it did not strike me as exploitive. In fact, it was all the more powerful because it wasn't exploitive but, on the contrary, underplayed, which made the events depicted carry an even greater wallop. But that is my deeply personal reaction.

I cannot tell you whether or not to see it. I think that everyone must decide that for themselves. I believe that there are those who will never be able to see this movie.

I can only tell you that for myself, as painful as it is to sit through, especially the furious and desperate final twenty minutes, I am very very glad that I did.

Edited to add: here is my response to a comment made below by [livejournal.com profile] minnehaha B, who asked me, extremely reasonably, why on earth I would want to take my knowledge and memories of the event and replace them with a fictional dramatization designed to push all my buttons? I replied:

Another specific reason that I went to see the film is that I just finished reading Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman. The book included a discussion of a study of some children at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California "playing the Purdy game." This was a case where a perpetrator named Patrick Purdy stood at a playground's edge and sprayed hundreds of bullets at the children playing there. Five died and twenty-nine were wounded.

In the ensuing months, the "Purdy game" appeared spontaneously in the play of boys and girls at the school, where the children reenacted the tragedy. Sometimes they played it so that the children killed Purdy.

The psychologists figured out that story is part of the way that children heal from PTSD, by emotional re-learning:
One way this emotional healing seems to occur spontaneously--at least in children--is through games such as Purdy. These games, played over and over again, let children relive a trauma safely, as play. This allows two avenues for healing: on the one hand, a memory repeats in a context of low anxiety, desensitizing it and allowing a nontraumatized set of responses to become associated with it. Another route to healing is that, in their minds, children can magically give the tragedy another, better outcome: sometimes in playing Purdy, the children kill him, boosting their sense of mastery over that traumatic moment of helplessness."
You can argue that I am not a child, and that I didn't actually 'live' through the events of United 93 personally. Very true. But this rang really true to me, and reading this chapter was part of the reason that I went to see the movie. I have always had enormous respect for the healing effects of story and have personally used it for emotional purposes previously myself--witness how I continually return to the same books when I am distressed about something.

I think this movie is partly our nation "playing Purdy" from the trauma of 9/11.

Anyway, the chapter is titled "Trauma and Emotional Relearning," if you'd like to look at it.

Understand: processing by re-telling (and even re-shaping) story is a way I process things. For me, seeing it was the right decision. But I also understand and freely accept that Your Mileage May Vary.

Edited to add again: And do me the courtesy of at least believing that I understand that the movie includes fiction mixed with fact, dammit.

Edited to add again: All right, people. No more comments on this post, if you please. Because, you know, I've just about had enough. Yes, I am being dictatorial, but hey, it's my journal and I get to do that. The ushers are sweeping up the popcorn and the projectionist has left the building. If you would like to discuss this further, please take it to your own journals. Thank you.
Sincerely,
The Management

[identity profile] fmsv.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
I've got to admit that I've got doubts about seeing it in a theater. Not so much for the movie itself, but more for the reactions of the other audience members. (My major worry is that I'd encounter people that confuse patriotism with adulation of the current administration, and get pumped up in that mindset from seeing the film, and I don't think I'm ready to deal with that.)
(I don't think the filmmakers are going that route (none of the ads for the film that I've seen suggest that), but the subject itself carries a pretty strong emotional charge.)

[identity profile] ame-chan.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
I can't go see it. But I'm really glad that you did and that you shared your feelings about it here. IT is good to hear your perspective.

[identity profile] sternel.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
The day I'm on the LIRR commuting into Manhattan for work, and my eyes don't automatically move to the empty place in the skyline, is the day I will go see that movie. Until that day comes, it will be too soon for me.
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[personal profile] laurel 2006-04-27 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
I was glad to read so many positive reviews for this film, because I feared the worse given the writer/director (who did such awful direction for The Bourne Supremacy and whose style there made me motion sick).

I'm not sure if I'm going to go see it or not, but I'm interested in hearing other people's reactions and find yours a useful data point to add to the ones I have so far.
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[identity profile] kiwiria.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
I'm still wondering if I want to see it in the theaters or not. I know I want to see it, but like "Der Untergang" I may want to wait until I can do it in the security of my home.

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
This all strikes me as odd. Why would you want to take your knowledge and memories of the facts and replace them with a fictional dramatization designed to push all of your emotional buttons? I mean, I know we live in a crass commercial world, but it feels way to blatent.

Why would someone pay money to be manipulated like that? I just don't understand it.

B

[identity profile] aome.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
Given that I hate flying, I can't bring myself to see any airplane movies (except "Airplane"), much less any airplane movies that have tension on them. I don't want to be there for real, much less imagine that I'm there through the wonder of TV or movies. To watch something really scary on an airplane, no matter how well done or what purpose it serves, is beyond me. I'll pass. It feels a bit soon to me for such a movie to have been made, but I'm glad you felt it was done well.

[identity profile] pooka50.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved Emotional Intelligence, though I'm not sure if I got to that chapter. But the neuro physiology chapters had a profound impact on my mental self-care.

I'm kind of new to some of these connectivity features to livejournal. I was reading Xnera's. I do want to see United 93.

[identity profile] francli.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry to Add on, but did the film have much Arabic in it? If I'm going to get my husband to go it would help to know.

[identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't watch movies of real events that happened in my lifetime.

I don't watch airplane-disaster movies.

I don't watch movies, fictional or otherwise, that I suspect will cause me--a very visual person--to envision even more vividly things that I can hardly bare to envision as it is.

I won't be seeing this movie, ever.

[identity profile] huladavid.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
There's a part of me that sits back and looks at how "we're" handling the whole September 11th thing. I'm guessing that this is my way of handling it... I think it's interesting that it seems (IMHO) that the Twin Towers (which was a phrase I didn't hear until The-Day-The-Motherfuckers-Flew-The-Planes-Into-The-Buildings) seems to be the defacto symbol of "TDTMFTPITB".

[identity profile] cakmpls.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
a memory repeats in a context of low anxiety, desensitizing it and allowing a nontraumatized set of responses to beome associated with it.

For some people, perhaps, and for situations the people were actually part of (as in the Purdy case). Not for me. If I wasn't involved in the situation, a movie like this causes me more anxiety, fear, horror, whatever, than just hearing about it or reading about it ever does. If I was involved in the situation, even peripherally, repeating the memory, no matter what the context, never takes away its power. Nor do I necessarily want it to.

Another route to healing is that, in their minds, children can magically give the tragedy another, better outcome:

Except that in a movie based on real events, either it has the same outcome or it's a lie. No healing there.

If it works for you, great. But for me, seeing on the screen things that it gives me pain just to think about is in no way helpful.

Well, yeah

[identity profile] joelrosenberg.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Distinguishing between fact and fiction is what people are supposed to do.

And, perhaps, to understand when fiction points to truth. Uncle Tom's Cabin wasn't a documentary (not possible at the time, obviously) or a history (entirely possible at the time), and every detail in it was, quite literally, untrue, as it was, well, fiction. And it left out much of what was happening at the time, choosing to portray the worst of slavery that the public would tolerate the representation of.

It did, of course, leave out a lot of routine bad stuff.

But it was, all in all, and with some lacunae, a fair picture of some of what was wrong with the toleration of chattel slavery.

I can imagine some people arguing something to the effect of, "Why would you want to read Mrs. Stowe's latest work. Why get yourself all worked up over something that is fictional -- you'll act as those things really happened, rather than having been made up by some wild-eyed abolitionist fanatic."

[identity profile] heavenscalyx.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Peg. I'm interested in reactions to this movie, but I won't go see it. There's part of me that cringes from the commercialization of tragedy, and part of me that cringes from dramatic depictions of real people.

I know that if they'd made a movie of Flight 11, I would really, really not want to see how they depicted my former coworker. I wonder how the families and friends of the Flight 93 people are coping.

[identity profile] dreamshark.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Fascinating discussion. I haven't seen it, but my immediate reaction to the IDEA of the movie is similar to [livejournal.com profile] minnehaha. Why would you want to replace your actual memories of an important event with fictionalized ones? Especially on a topic that is such a political hot button already? What, do you people just LIKE being emotionally manipulated for political ends?

On the other hand, your point about using story to process traumatic events and perhaps make them easier to live with is well taken. There was another crashing airplane movie maybe 15 or 20 years ago (?) that ended up demonstrating this phenomenon, albeit accidentally. Maybe somebody here remembers it.

The airplane disaster was trivial by comparison to Flight 93. Actually, it was only a NEAR-disaster. A commercial jet flight suddenly dropped several hundred feet so abruptly that it not only scared the passengers half to death, it permanently injured some of them due to the multi-G forces on neck and spine. The pilots managed to pull the plane out of free fall, but there was a class-action lawsuit by the traumatized passengers. Ultimately it got made into a tv-movie (probably a pretty boring one, since it was mostly about the lawsuit).

Here's the interesting part. The guys that made the movie were so obsessed with portraying the passengers' experience realistically that they brought a bunch of them onto the set as consultants. They built a big vibrating-about-to-shake-apart airplane simulator and had their consultants test it out. Over and over again, while they tuned the effects. They weren't doing this as therapy for the passengers, they were just trying to get the special effects right. The passenger/consultants reported that it was really scary the first time they sat in that crashing-airplane simulator, but each time they went back it got less scary (although more realistic, presumably). By the time they were done with the gig, they noticed that their lingering PSTD symptoms were much relieved.

SO... I think you and [livejournal.com profile] minnehaha both have perfectly valid viewpoints. Like B, I don't respond to distant disaster with a powerful first-person emotional reaction. But clearly, many people do. I think you've done a good job speaking for the folks that process the news that way (although, frankly, I only dimly understand it). B has done a good job of articulating the reaction of those of us at the other extreme. I'm glad to hear that the movie was made with artistic restraint and integrity. Maybe I'll watch it someday, maybe not. If I do, it will just be as a movie, not as therapy or as history.

[identity profile] kijjohnson.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I sometimes think that the best way to post is with no comments allowed, ever. It changes the nature of the communication from a highly specific form of conversation back to monologue (which is what writing is). That's either a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the day and the topic.:g:.

[identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
"And do me the courtesy of at least believing that I understand that the movie includes fiction mixed with fact, dammit."

I would hope that no one accused you of not understanding that.

But your comment sparks an interesting question. Given that we don't know much of the facts about what happened -- only a paragraph-long plot summary -- how are we supposed to know which parts of the movie are fact and which are fiction?

At least Neal Stephenson included a glossary at the end of his books that stated which of his characters were real and which were fictional.

B

[identity profile] coyotegoth.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been anticipating- and trying to imagine- such a film for the last five years. Francis Ford Coppola has been saying for ages now that Hollywood needs to examine 9/11, and I thnk that that's ultimately correct- that movies are such a fundamental part of our lives and our cultural heritage that for this subject not to be touched on (and granted, it would be the easiest subject in the world for someone to treat simplistically/exploitatively/xenophobically), encourages us to avoid so much as thinking about it. Ultimately, at least for myself (I speak as a New Yorker who couldn't attend an action movie for months, albeit one who is ultimately far less traumatized by 9/11 than many people I know personally), I think examining this subject is an important thing for Hollywood to attempt.

[identity profile] sternel.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Not expressing any opinions in this, just a question: I was just wondering, as [livejournal.com profile] newyorkers is discussing this film for today's Freestyle Friday, if I could quote your description of the Purdy game? As I haven't read the book you cite your description is the only source I have at the moment and I don't want to go quoting you without getting your permission first, especially on this issue. Thanks, Peg. (And happy birthday!)