Here is some unbelievable stupidity
Jun. 17th, 2005 02:46 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pegkerrWisconsin moves to restrict 'morning after' pill. Emergency contraceptive may be banned at state universities.
Boy, the news is making me testy today.
Boy, the news is making me testy today.
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Date: 2005-06-17 08:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2005-06-17 10:59 pm (UTC)(frozen) Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-18 03:25 pm (UTC)"You can't be Christian and pro-abortion."
And the morning-after pill is abortive.
If you don't want to have a baby, don't have sex. Simple as that.
(frozen) Re: Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-18 08:35 pm (UTC)Oh, for Pete's sake. Read the article again. Note that they are talking about denying it to rape victims.
Say 'if you don't to have a baby, don't have sex' to a rape victim. Go on. I dare you. If you do, personally, I think you would deserve to get your teeth kicked in.
And what about someone who is responsibly using birth control which fails, like a condom which breaks? Don't be smug and say "if you don't want to have a baby don't have sex" to someone like that. Your moment of smug self righteousness toward someone who was doing the right thing is not worth a damn compared to the hundreds of thousands of dollars it takes to raise a baby to the age of 18.
It's a stupid law.
(frozen) Re: Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-18 11:04 pm (UTC)I am not discounting the trauma of getting raped. Rape is one of the most horrible crimes that can be committed. However, the chances of getting pregnant after you are raped are slim to none (http://www.preciouslife.net/womenshealth-rape.asp).
But despite that, let's say for the sake of argument that a lady who is raped DOES conceive a child. It has been proven that human life begins at the moment of conception (http://www.christiananswers.net/q-sum/q-life-all1.html). As I've stated before, emergency contraceptions are abortive--therefore you are killing another innocent human life. Why should the baby die? He or she didn't do anything wrong!
In addition, it disgusts me that you are putting a price tag on human life. Regardless of the method in which the child was conceived, you justify killing it because it costs too much to raise him or her? As you say "Oh, for Pete's sake." If that is really the case, adoption is the perfect solution. I have a little adopted cousin whom I love just like one of my biological cousins. But to kill a baby because you can't afford to raise him is a cop-out and it's disgusting as hell.
As far as people who "responsibly use birth control that fails, like a condom which breaks"--that's an oxymoron in itself. Condoms have a 15% failure rate (http://contracept.info/risks.php), which is pretty big odds when you consider the consequences. Would you get on a plane if you knew that three out of every twenty flights (or a little more than one in seven) would result in a crash? Guess what--you're facing the same odds with condoms.
The responsible thing to do is to wait until you're legally married (MAN with WOMAN) to have sex. And after that, Natural Family Planning (http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/sex_and_sexual_health/contr_natfamplan.shtml) is an effective yet moral way to go about having your family.
And don't say it's not possible or unreasonable to expect people to wait until marriage--I am 25 years old, have never been married, have been dating my girlfriend for four years, and I am a virgin. Admittedly, it hasn't always been easy, but it is great not having to worry about becoming a father before I am ready.
Rhetorical question for you, Peg: When your daughters get to be older, would you tell them that it's okay for them to sleep around (or even sleep with their steady boyfriends) as long as they are "protected"?
By the way, my name is Brian. I posted in your journal a few months ago. I am only posting anonymously because I don't have an LJ. And I am not the one who posted a few days ago in the gay marriage thread--although I do wholeheartedly agree with the first anonymous poster.
(frozen) Re: Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-19 03:44 am (UTC)I'm just speaking the truth. And by insisting that YOUR truth is THE truth, yes, you are insulting me.
However, the chances of getting pregnant after you are raped are slim to none. I am speechless in the face of such appalling ignorance. I suspect there is nothing I can say which will change your mind on this, so I will not bother trying.
It has been proven that human life begins at the moment of conception. Who are the heck are you, to conflate and equate "it is my firm opinion" with "it has been proven"?
In addition, it disgusts me that you are putting a price tag on human life. Oh, really? I am doing nothing more than repeating a simple economic fact which is reported yearly by our government. Here it is, four paragraphs down the page. The figure for a child born in 2000 is $165,630. Economic facts are economic facts, whether you stick your head in the sand about them or not. And since I pay a day care bill every single week with money which I earn with my own two hands, bucko, and you do not, you can jolly well keep your ridiculous indignation to yourself.
As far as people who "responsibly use birth control that fails, like a condom which breaks"--that's an oxymoron in itself. Condoms have a 15% failure rate (http://contracept.info/risks.php), which is pretty big odds when you consider the consequences. Would you get on a plane if you knew that three out of every twenty flights (or a little more than one in seven) would result in a crash? Guess what--you're facing the same odds with condoms.
The responsible thing to do is to wait until you're legally married (MAN with WOMAN) to have sex. And after that, Natural Family Planning (http://www.bbc.co.uk/relationships/sex_and_sexual_health/contr_natfamplan.shtml) is an effective yet moral way to go about having your family.
Ignorance is one thing. Ignorance combined with arrogance is insufferable. Condoms fail at a 15% rate with standard use, but at a 5% rate when used correctly. By that same measure, standard use, natural family planning fails at a 25% rate (one out of four), 9% with correct use. Worse than condoms on both measures. See here.
And don't say it's not possible or unreasonable to expect people to wait until marriage--I am 25 years old, have never been married, have been dating my girlfriend for four years, and I am a virgin.
I am not saying any such thing. My sex life before marriage isn't any of your damn business, but not even you could hold your nose up at my moral choices. And I married at age 26. But that was between my husband-to-be, my God, my conscience and me. Not any politician, and not anyone else. CERTAINLY not you.
Rhetorical question for you, Peg: When your daughters get to be older, would you tell them that it's okay for them to sleep around (or even sleep with their steady boyfriends) as long as they are "protected"?
If my girls make the same moral choices I did, I will be content. But if they don't, that is their choice. It is between them, their partners, their consciences and their God. The only thing I really hope for them is that they never fall in love with someone as infuriatingly smug and self-righteous as you.
By the way, my name is Brian. I posted in your journal a few months ago. I am only posting anonymously because I don't have an LJ. And I am not the one who posted a few days ago in the gay marriage thread--although I do wholeheartedly agree with the first anonymous poster. I am sure that you do agree with him/her. He/she has been mostly polite. You have not. I am sure that you have firmly held moral beliefs. Be aware that mine are equally firm, and yes, equally moral. Thank you for introducing yourself, Brian. And now I suggest that you take your arrogantly self-righteous ignorance and your boasting about your morally superior sex life to somebody else's journal.
You are certainly no longer welcome in mine.
(frozen) Re: Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-19 04:48 am (UTC)http://www.go2planb.com/section/about/index.html
Will Plan B harm an unborn fetus?
There is no evidence that Plan B would harm a pregnant woman or a developing fetus if the product were accidentally taken during early pregnancy. Studies involving women who have inadvertently taken combined oral contraceptives containing levonorgestrel during early pregnancy suggest that these drugs do not have an adverse effect on the fetus.
Is Plan B the same as RU486 (abortion pill)?
No, Plan B is not an abortifacient. It is an emergency contraceptive and should not be confused with RU486 or any other abortifacient. Plan B is not effective if a woman is pregnant.
So... um, yeah. Not abortive. It prevents contraception. It's just an extra strong does of birth control pill, essentially. It keeps a woman from releasing an egg. That's why the failure rate is a bit higher than birth control (about 10%). Because if the woman is already pregnant, it doesn't do anything. It just prevents an egg from being released and meeting up with any sperm hanging out waiting for ovulation. It prevents pregnancy.
Does that clear that up?
(frozen) Re: Make up your mind
Date: 2005-06-19 05:02 am (UTC)If you are a Christian, then I think we obviously differ in our beliefs.
I am a Christian and I am liberal. If you think it's impossible to be both, I'm afraid you just have no idea what either side is about.
Christanity and liberalism actually go very well together: they are about helping the less fortunate as well as equality for all.
For me, the core of Christianity is not to judge others, and to love them and help them in any way. This is what Christianity has always taught me.
Jesus loved EVERYONE. A woman should darn well be able to choose what to do with HER body. We are not God, therfore to oppress her rights and judge her goes completely against my Christain beliefs. Our (well at least mine) purpose on earth is to help everyone and love everyone. Forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy when she may well not be in a physical condition to do so, or even if she doesn't want to, is abuse as far as I'm concerned.
I find your comment to be offensive to me as well as your bumper sticker.