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I got a query from a friend of mine asking for a list of sf/fantasy novels set in the time of Elizabeth I. He thought of two, Pavane by Keith Roberts and Strange Devices of the Sun and Moon by Lisa Goldstein. I knew about the Goldstein already, and to those I'd add (at least partially, one story thread) Scholars of the Night, by John M. Ford. Anything else?

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daedala.livejournal.com
Armor of Light Melissa Scott and Lisa...B-something.

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] copperwise.livejournal.com
I seem to recall that Patricia Wrede's Snow White and Rose Red was set around that time?

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
*Smacks forehead* Well, duh, I should have thought of that!

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mab-browne.livejournal.com
'Gloriana' by Michael Moorcock is an alternative fantasy version of the Elizabethan age.

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
There's Elizabeth Riba's magnificently obsessive list of modern fiction featuring Christopher Marlowe:

http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/MarloweBks.htm

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Date: 2006-01-07 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] creepygirl-chow.livejournal.com
Kage Baker's book In the Garden of Iden is set during the brief reign of Mary, right before Elizabeth's reign. It's SF and the first book of a series.

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Date: 2006-01-07 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Oh, thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten about that one (but now have a library copy :> )

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Date: 2006-01-08 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
Oh, FWIW, I'm reading The Intelligencer now. It's pretty much a bad mass market thriller, if you care. Although not as painfully written as, say The Da Vinci Code.

It's sort of like, what would The School Of Night be like if it was written for people that skim a lot.

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Date: 2006-01-08 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
scholars of night, even

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Date: 2006-02-07 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
PS/FYI, Ben Jonson's a supporting character in Black Canary.

Just since you think the boy's not getting enough love from modern writers. :)

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Date: 2006-02-07 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
*g* That book is helping The Cobbler's Boy get rejected a lot.

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Date: 2006-02-07 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
I'll confess, I can't recall which story Cobbler's Boy was.

[Searches your old posts for context]

Do they feel there's a market glut? Too many YA Elizabethans, or that sales of existing ones aren't high enough. If it's the latter, I might be able to help [OMG! A sudden rush on the YA Elizabethan market! We must have more books NOW!]

[We can also take this discussion to your journal and stop bothering [livejournal.com profile] pegkerr, if you'd prefer...]

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Date: 2006-02-07 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matociquala.livejournal.com
Oh, it's just that sales on YA Elizabethan theatrical stuff isn;t great, apparently.

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Date: 2006-01-07 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixelfish.livejournal.com
One of the Snow White, Rose Red novels is set in the time of Elizabeth, but only minor historical figures show up at all.

The Perilous Gard, a YA fantasy, is set in the time of Elizabeth I.

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Date: 2006-01-07 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
One of the Snow White, Rose Red novels is set in the time of Elizabeth, but only minor historical figures show up at all.
It's set in the countryside, not London, but it does give a major role to Doctor Dee, which I thought was a very cool touch.

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Date: 2006-01-07 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kijjohnson.livejournal.com
You still up? Call me till midnight my time.

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Date: 2006-01-07 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
Aw, you just missed me. I went to bed about five minutes before this came in.

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Date: 2006-01-07 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wild-irises.livejournal.com
Melissa Scott's and Lisa Barnett's Point of Order and Point of Hopes are somewhat alternate, but that's definitely their period.

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Date: 2006-01-07 08:47 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] gwyneira.livejournal.com
Sarah Hoyt's Ill Met by Moonlight (which I haven't read but which I've seen recommended around LJ) is a fantasy involving Shakespeare. Also, there's Harry Turtledove's alternate history, Ruled Britannia, in which the Spanish conquered Britain and Elizabeth is imprisoned in the Tower.

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Date: 2006-01-07 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
Thanks for the title reminder--I was going to mention Ill Met by Moonlight, I was sent it when I was a Tiptree Award juror, and while it wasn't relevant to our purposes, I liked it.

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Date: 2006-01-07 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daedala.livejournal.com
I found Ill Met by Moonlight to be very, very poor.

I still remember overuse of the word "pink."

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Date: 2006-01-07 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] satakieli.livejournal.com
I would have placed Pavane in the mid-nineteenth century?

Ooh, um...

Date: 2006-01-07 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Suddenly feeling on-the-spot because this is one of the genres I'm addicted to...

Amusingly enough, I wouldn't count either Pavane or Scholars of the Night as Elizabethan fantasy. The former is an AU with an Elizabethan turning point, but otherwise set in the modern era. Scholars is espionage.

Stuff that's specifically fantasy, though?

In order of publication date:

  • Elizabeth Marie Pope's The Perilous gard (YA)

  • Melissa Scott and Lisa Barnett's Armor of Light -- it's one of my favorites, and the one that got me into the genre

  • A few issues in Neil Gaiman's Sandman were set in Elizabethan England

  • Pat Wrede's Snow White and Rose Red

  • In Susan Cooper's YA King of shadows, timetravel/bodyswap is the primary fantasy element, but it's an excellent book

  • Lisa Goldstein's Strange Devices of the sun and moon

  • Sarah A. Hoyt's series. Start's good but imo goes downhill. Plays a little too cutesy with the "Shakespeare In Love"-type nods.

  • Harry Turtledove's Ruled Britannia is an AU where the Spanish won the Armada battle, but that's the only fantastic element

  • Oh, and there's at least one other Elizabethan fantasy as yet unsold...

I've read all those and would recommend them. [And I'm sure the moment I post this comment, I'll think of at least three others, but I've got to stop sometime.]

Sophie Masson has written some Elizabethan fantasies, though I haven't yet been able to find any of them locally to read.

Slightly outside the period, last night I saw I, Coriander in the bookstore, which is set in Cromwell's London. [Bad time to be consorting with faeries.]

For nonfiction reference, hie thee to a library and find Katherine Briggs' Anatomy of Puck: an examination of fairy beliefs among Shakespeare's contemporaries [For a different kind of fairy, I'm extremely fond of Michael Young's King James and the history of homosexuality :) ]

Outside the genre, there are several modern vampire stories that involve Elizabethan characters. Tanya Huff's Henry Fitzroy series is the one I'd recommend.

There are also a lot of excellent mystery series set in the Elizabethan era, if you're interested in that genre. Among the best, I'd recommend Edward Marston's Nicholas Bracewell series (a theatre company), Fiona Buckley's Ursula Blanchard series (more espionage) and Simon Hawke's Shakespeare & Smythe series.

And if you want other nongenre period fiction (or nonfiction about the period), let me know and I can make further recs. Certainly there are several in my Marlowe in Modern Fiction list, but there are also other good period fics that don't involve Kit as a character.

Finally, would you mind if I blogged this up in [livejournal.com profile] riba_rambles with a link back to your original request? You've prompted me to write something I've been meaning to for a while.

Hey, it's a hobby...

Re: Ooh, um...

Date: 2006-01-07 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com
Speaking of Marlow works- possibly I missed the title from reading that list at 1 am, but do you have Antonia Forest's The Player's Boy there? YA fiction, unfortunately out of print, umm back story I suppose to her modern Marlow family series, wherein Christopher no-relation Marlowe takes young Nicholas Marlow off to London.

Re: Ooh, um...

Date: 2006-01-07 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Ooh, no, I hadn't heard of that one before.

Thanks!

Re: Ooh, um...

Date: 2006-01-07 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
Good heavens, what a help you have been!

Would you mind if I blogged this up in [livejournal.com profile] riba_rambles with a link back to your original request?

Be my guest, thanks!

Re: Ooh, um...

Date: 2006-01-07 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Good heavens, what a help you have been!
Hey, like I said, it's a hobby. Glad it's come in handy.

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Date: 2006-01-07 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malinaldarose.livejournal.com
Two of Irene Radford's Merlin's Descendants books are set in Elizabethan England, with Elizabeth as a character: Guardian of the Vision and Guardian of the Promise. They're books 3 and 4 of the series, but I think they can probably be read without reading the others.

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Date: 2006-01-07 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slrose.livejournal.com
_This Sceptred Isle_ and _Ill Met by Moonlight_ by Mercedes Lackey and Roberta Gellis.

If you're in a historical mood, I would recommend almost any of Gellis' books. _Roselynde_ (a historical romance set in the time of Richard the Lionheart) was just rereleased, and I recommend buying it while it is still around.

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Date: 2006-01-07 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kerryp.livejournal.com
I don't know if this fully counts as fantasy, but Phillipa Gregory's book "The Queen's Fool" involves other worldly/psychic powers and is set in the courts of Queen Mary and the Princess Elizabeth, with a lot about Elizabeth. The book is also absolutely Excellent!!

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Date: 2006-01-07 09:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cruisedirector
Armin Shimerman's John Dee novels, The Merchant Prince and following?

Elizabethan fantasy?

Date: 2006-01-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
_The Princess in the Pigpen_ by JAne Resh Thomas--I'm sure this is one of many time travel stories back to 16th and 17th C England, or actually (in this case) from then to 20th C Iowa. A much-praised and apparently beloved book (which I haven't read since I was in grade school, but which I remember as being very good) is Alison Uttley's _A Traveler in Time_, which occurs during Elizabeth's reign, though I don't recall if she appears in the book. I think Mary Stuart, Queen of Scots does. There have also been a number of books involving time travel to act in Shakespeare's company, for instance Susan Cooper's _King of Shadows_, but there are several books in a sequence by someone else in the last couple of decades that are similar, I think. ANd of course, Pam Dean's _Tam Lin_ has several characters in the 20th C. who date back to Shakespeare's company. --David Lenander

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Date: 2006-02-10 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
How about _No Earthly Sunne_ by Margaret Ball? It's Elizabethan-related, at any rate, as a man from the Elizabethan period winds up in modern times. And Peter Beagle's _Tamsin_ doesn't really count, as it's set in the present day and Tamsin herself dates from the time of Monmouth's Rebellion, but those who like Elizabethan fantasy might like it. (I certainly did.)

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Date: 2006-08-02 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
BTW, I know it's been a long time coming, but I've started working on a compilation/list page.

I don't think you subscribe to my [livejournal.com profile] riba_rambles feed, but I've posted my initial criteria for inclusion.

Since this is inspired by your initial request, I was wondering if you'd take a look and tell me if you'd find this useful or if, when you're looking for such fics, you'd want something broader...

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Date: 2006-08-03 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
My, that was quite awhile ago. I wasn't asking on my behalf, but on the behalf of a friend. If you get a list compiled, I can forward the link to him. Thanks.

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Date: 2006-08-03 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
I have a few further titles to confirm (and possibly add) before it's quite ready for a general announcement, but http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/ElizSFF.htm

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Date: 2006-08-04 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pegkerr.livejournal.com
Thank you so much!

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