Leaving the Left behind
May. 26th, 2005 10:11 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
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A continuously renewing society needs to foster innovative, versatile, and self-renewing men and women. For Keith Thompson that means leaving the Left behind...more...Well? What do you think of his critique?
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Date: 2005-05-26 04:01 pm (UTC)Being morally capable does not mean that they have the power, or the knowledge to make the decisions. Especially when they are lied to. cf Texas' power in determining what gets into textbooks or the president's lies about reasons for going to war in Iraq, or the 'town hall' meetings where everyone is screened and coached on their questions so that a veneer is kept up with no substance.
"The University of Connecticut has banned "inappropriately directed laughter."" I work with people who tell their 1yr olds that "they better grow up straight", and then laugh as if they're really funny. Because things that aren't allowed to be said in polite company can be said in humour. Sometimes this works for forces of progress, sometimes against.
And fighting for gay marriage, should this be viewed as the Left's inability to view "individuals as morally capable"?
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Date: 2005-05-26 04:34 pm (UTC)I think he's lying through his teeth.
Let's look at the rhetorical tricks. Sneer quotes around peace. Framing the opposing sides as for and against self-determination as opposed to for and against war. Hell, defining what's happening in Iraq as "self-determination" at all. Defining freedom as what George Bush wants.
But most of all, assigning bad motives and views to anonymous sources. "Leading voices in the peace movement". Who would that be? (Probably ANSWER, the standard bugbear in these situations.)
Yes, Virginia, this is a straw-man argument.
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Date: 2005-05-26 04:36 pm (UTC)P.
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Date: 2005-05-26 10:24 pm (UTC)Excellent icon, by the way.
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Date: 2005-05-26 05:20 pm (UTC)Also, he clearly doesn't understand what the people he criticizes are actually talking about. For example, Bill Cosby is right--but so is Jesse Jackson. It's all well and good to expect people to talk correctly, and they should, but to focus your energy on language when there are no jobs is the definition of short-sighted.
It's apparent to me that as soon as the movement went beyond easy legalities with clear good guys and bad guys to looking at the core of the problems that come with capitalism (and always how to fix them within the system of capitalism) he lost his beloved black and white. Something tells me that he would not have thought as much of Dr. King's later speeches about Vietnam and economic conditions as he did the "I have a dream" speech.
Let's face it, the movement got him off the hook for a long time. He was a "good" white person who didn't want to discriminate against anyone. But he also wants anyone who is successful to pretty much look just like him, have his background, his cultural understanding. What's really sad is that people who agree with his cheap shots--and some of them are dead on, no doubt about it--will think that they need to follow in his wake or risk being fools.
But he's the fool.
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Date: 2005-05-26 06:11 pm (UTC)1) He's beating up a straw leftist. This is very common. He presents some caricatured attitudes which he insists are held by all sorts of "people at dinner parties", and props them up with a few very selective quotes, in some cases (as with Sontag) so selective and misleading as to amount to slander. I don't know anyone who slots into his caricature, myself. Maybe he does. I don't think they're exactly filling the world.
2) A kind of refinement on (1) -- there is no such thing as "the Left" in the monolithic sense he seems to believe. There are pacifists and anarchists and Quakers and liberation theologians; there are hardline Communists, there are many types of socialists, there are social democrats; there are people who have no special political attachments but are to a greater or lesser extent dismayed by events in Iraq, which are by the way going quite a bit more badly than he seems to think, and I don't say this because I want it to be true -- a functioning Iraqi democracy would be a fine thing. There are people who believe the US is doing the right thing in Iraq but who are very upset about sexual harrassment on the job. You just can't lump all these people into one category and call them all simpering leftists.
3) And by the way, the repeated use of the word "simpering" does not suggest that the author is actually making a difficult but considered decision to leave behind a once-prized political allegiance. Nor does his account of his past history, such as it is, sound like that. It sounds like he's always enjoyed finding "leftists" that he disagreed with and then pretending that he's a lone voice crying in the wilderness against them.
4) There are jerks everywhere in the world. Of course you can go out and find people on the left who just hold obviously silly opinions, or who do seem to be taking delight in every casualty in Iraq. You can find people everywhere on the political spectrum who hold silly opinions and indulge in inappropriate schadenfreude. The fact that this writer appears to me to be a jerk does not invalidate all criticism of "the Left" any more than the existence of some leftist jerks invalidates all progressive thinking.
Okay. Rant done.
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Date: 2005-05-26 07:43 pm (UTC)> Didn't many of these same people stand up in the sixties for self-rule for oppressed people and against fascism in any guise?
Well, no. Because in the sixties I wasn't allowed to cross the street alone.
The Left is a big ol' tent, and you don't get to defame the entire set of us based on your distaste for Woodstock, the Black Panthers, and the late Andrea Dworkin.
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Date: 2005-05-26 10:37 pm (UTC)Hopefully you are correct, but I can tell you first hand that they are filling Orange County, CA. Possibly you need to be the rebellious child of privileged conservatives to turn out as poorly as outlined in Thompson's article, but I can certainly vouch for their existence in numbers. Personally, I am currently attempting to find a place where the liberals have more grey matter (like so many of my friends on LJ) in an attempt to escape the crowd that gets its talking points from Green Day lyrics.
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Date: 2005-05-27 02:07 am (UTC)Even in this comment section, there are people who simply cannot admit the possibility that maybe Thompson was writing his honest feelings on the matter. Because he's 'gone conservative,' everything he says is suspect, it must all be rhetorical manipulation and outright lies; he can't possibly be speaking about a situation as he sses it.
I'll admit, I might be more positively disposed to Thompson's article because so much of what he wrote mirrors my own feelings and struck a chord with me. Maybe his tone really is sarcastic, and I'm just missing it. But as far as I'm concerned, he's just expressing the same sad frustration that I feel.
Chantal