Someone made a picture that's right out of The Wild Swans. She entitled it "Leda," though. Wrong story, but oh, the picture is so, so right.
Matthew 25:14-30
Jan. 23rd, 2008 10:45 amShe sat perched on the edge of the chair, fidgeting a little, in the well-appointed anteroom, which was decorated with tasteful paintings on the wall and an aquarium stocked with colorful tropical fish. She knew that the fish were there to keep people from becoming nervous, but even knowing that didn't help enough. After a short wait, she was ushered into his office. A junior flunky politely offered her a choice of soda or water or coffee, but she refused. She didn't think she could have raised the cup to her lips without the trembling in her fingers becoming totally obvious.
There were pleasantries at first. She expected that, and did her best to sound natural as she replied to his polite inquiries about the day job, the family, a recent vacation. Perhaps if she just pretended to be confident, she could finesse this interview without getting too embarrassed. The trouble was, she didn't think that she could convincingly assume an air of insouciance, particularly when all she felt was sheer terror at having to face him and admit the truth. Then he leaned forward a little, looking at the papers on the desk in front of him, and she felt a frisson of dread.
"I was so pleased with your progress the last time we visited," he told her. "The Wild Swans was--well, it made me very proud." And she believed him. That, perversely, was what made facing him now so awful. He paused, looking at her expectantly, and she realized he was giving her a chance to respond. She murmured a rather disjointed thanks, something to the effect that she was quite proud of it, too. She hoped he wouldn't think she sounded like a ninny. She also hoped he wouldn't see how wretched admitting this made her feel now.
"So tell me," he said, picking up an elegant fountain pen and holding it poised over the papers in front of him. "What have you been working on since our last meeting?"
She looked down at her hands, clenched together tightly in her lap. "I was--I had started another novel. About--about an ice palace. The St. Paul Winter Carnival ice palace, you know. The central character is the architect designing it. And it's--well. Well. About--about summer and winter magic." She cursed herself inwardly for her own stammering.
He waited, but she volunteered nothing more. "That sounds promising. It could be quite interesting, indeed." Another pause. "But you are not finished with it yet?"
Slowly, she shook her head. "No, I'm not." She heard the leather of his seat creak as he sat back, looking at her. She couldn't bring herself to look up to meet his eyes as she added faintly, "I--I don't think I'm going to finish it."
The pause that followed was very long indeed. "I see," he said. Was he angry, she wondered anxiously? Was he surprised? She couldn't tell. She could feel her palms starting to sweat. "Then--what are you working on now, Ms. Kerr?"
She could hear the faint ticking of the elegant clock on his desk. How was it possible to hear that over the thundering of her own heartbeat? Couldn't she just keel over out of sheer nerves and end the agony of this interview that way? She took a deep breath. "I'm not working on anything right now," she said, surprising herself with the steadiness of her own voice. Fleetingly, with an enormous effort, she finally raised her gaze to meet his. "I don't think I'm going to write any more novels, sir." Inwardly, she cringed. There. She had said it.
"No more novels?" Slowly, he turned the pen over in his fingers. Tap. Tap. "May I ask why you do not think you will be writing any more novels?"
She opened her mouth and closed it again as a wave of shame swept over her. Tears prickled the corners of her eyes. Oh, no. No. I swore I would not cry. "It's--it's just so hard. It's very difficult." She cleared her throat.
"Difficult." The very flatness of his voice made the inadequacy of the excuse clear.
"I'm just--well, I'm just so busy. Ferrying the girls around. Keeping up with everything. And I try to write--I try to write, and nothing comes." There were other reasons, of course. The frittering away of her time on the internet. The time spent reading junk. Why mention it? She already looked stupid enough as it was.
"But you try."
"Well. I did. I did, for a long time. Eventually--eventually, I stopped trying, you see."
Tap. Tap. "If you do not write your novels, Ms. Kerr," he said with infinite gentleness, "no one else will write them for you."
His very gentleness made her feel even worse. I will not cry. "I know that, sir," she ground out through gritted teeth.
He pulled the calendar before him forward and named a future date. "I will see you for your next report then."
"But--but I won't have anything to report," she said desperately. "I told you. I've stopped writing novels."
But he was already writing her name down on the paper, and he raised an eyebrow. "We shall see, Ms. Kerr. We shall see."
There were pleasantries at first. She expected that, and did her best to sound natural as she replied to his polite inquiries about the day job, the family, a recent vacation. Perhaps if she just pretended to be confident, she could finesse this interview without getting too embarrassed. The trouble was, she didn't think that she could convincingly assume an air of insouciance, particularly when all she felt was sheer terror at having to face him and admit the truth. Then he leaned forward a little, looking at the papers on the desk in front of him, and she felt a frisson of dread.
"I was so pleased with your progress the last time we visited," he told her. "The Wild Swans was--well, it made me very proud." And she believed him. That, perversely, was what made facing him now so awful. He paused, looking at her expectantly, and she realized he was giving her a chance to respond. She murmured a rather disjointed thanks, something to the effect that she was quite proud of it, too. She hoped he wouldn't think she sounded like a ninny. She also hoped he wouldn't see how wretched admitting this made her feel now.
"So tell me," he said, picking up an elegant fountain pen and holding it poised over the papers in front of him. "What have you been working on since our last meeting?"
She looked down at her hands, clenched together tightly in her lap. "I was--I had started another novel. About--about an ice palace. The St. Paul Winter Carnival ice palace, you know. The central character is the architect designing it. And it's--well. Well. About--about summer and winter magic." She cursed herself inwardly for her own stammering.
He waited, but she volunteered nothing more. "That sounds promising. It could be quite interesting, indeed." Another pause. "But you are not finished with it yet?"
Slowly, she shook her head. "No, I'm not." She heard the leather of his seat creak as he sat back, looking at her. She couldn't bring herself to look up to meet his eyes as she added faintly, "I--I don't think I'm going to finish it."
The pause that followed was very long indeed. "I see," he said. Was he angry, she wondered anxiously? Was he surprised? She couldn't tell. She could feel her palms starting to sweat. "Then--what are you working on now, Ms. Kerr?"
She could hear the faint ticking of the elegant clock on his desk. How was it possible to hear that over the thundering of her own heartbeat? Couldn't she just keel over out of sheer nerves and end the agony of this interview that way? She took a deep breath. "I'm not working on anything right now," she said, surprising herself with the steadiness of her own voice. Fleetingly, with an enormous effort, she finally raised her gaze to meet his. "I don't think I'm going to write any more novels, sir." Inwardly, she cringed. There. She had said it.
"No more novels?" Slowly, he turned the pen over in his fingers. Tap. Tap. "May I ask why you do not think you will be writing any more novels?"
She opened her mouth and closed it again as a wave of shame swept over her. Tears prickled the corners of her eyes. Oh, no. No. I swore I would not cry. "It's--it's just so hard. It's very difficult." She cleared her throat.
"Difficult." The very flatness of his voice made the inadequacy of the excuse clear.
"I'm just--well, I'm just so busy. Ferrying the girls around. Keeping up with everything. And I try to write--I try to write, and nothing comes." There were other reasons, of course. The frittering away of her time on the internet. The time spent reading junk. Why mention it? She already looked stupid enough as it was.
"But you try."
"Well. I did. I did, for a long time. Eventually--eventually, I stopped trying, you see."
Tap. Tap. "If you do not write your novels, Ms. Kerr," he said with infinite gentleness, "no one else will write them for you."
His very gentleness made her feel even worse. I will not cry. "I know that, sir," she ground out through gritted teeth.
He pulled the calendar before him forward and named a future date. "I will see you for your next report then."
"But--but I won't have anything to report," she said desperately. "I told you. I've stopped writing novels."
But he was already writing her name down on the paper, and he raised an eyebrow. "We shall see, Ms. Kerr. We shall see."
The Kerr Family TRIUMPHANT!
Nov. 17th, 2007 08:36 pmWe came, we saw, we kicked butt!
Delia passed the double black stripe belt test this morning. I did not attend, but Rob was there and took pictures. Hopefully I will be able to download and post some of them tomorrow. She was actually not feeling particularly well, but Rob said that she pulled herself together and had a good test.
We also got the word that Fiona passed the third pre-test screening.
The test will take place at 9:00 a.m. on a Saturday morning, and yes, you are invited. This is the black belt exam which is held quarterly for all the National Karate schools citywide, and it is quite interesting to watch. I will post more information about the exact location later, but again, you are invited to come watch. The whole test takes (I think) about two hours.
As for me, I had two appearances today at the Fantasy Matters conference. The first was the panel on The Wild Swans, held at 8:30 a.m. I read two sections of the novel, one from each storyline. David Lenander suggested the sections, and although I hadn't done those ones at readings before, I thought they were well matched and both suitably dramatic. The first was Elias' second visit to the baths, when he was looking for Sean, and then the scene at Central Park where Sean tells Elias he has AIDS. The second was the scene where William and Jonathan follow Eliza to the graveyard, followed by the scene where she is arrested. The advantage to reading the scenes together was that (hopefully) the juxtaposition made it clear to the listeners that the language describing the men at the baths was exactly the same as the language describing the ghosts in the graveyard. That reading took twenty minutes. It was actually an excellent suggestion on David's part; I think I'd chose those two selections for future readings (if I have many other occasions to do readings from Swans, which probably won't happen, actually. The book is getting harder and harder to obtain, although it isn't quite out of print yet). Then David talked for about a half hour about the novel, relating it to the tradition of fairy tale retellings in general and H.C. Andersen in particular. It was lightly attended, but given the panel time, I expected that.
What totally took me by surprise was the turn out at my presentation on the Heart of Flesh/Heart of Stone. My jaw literally dropped as more and more people came into the room. I thought it would be empty because of the panel opposite on Stardust, but I guess they might have ended it early. Anyway, maybe thirty-five people or so showed up, which was a good turnout. I cut one section of the paper on the fly, but that turned out to be a good decision, because it was really just a secondary example of the point I made in the previous section, and that way, the paper came in at exactly the right amount. NOBODY THREW TOMATOES. On the contrary, there were a gratifying number of thoughtful questions and gracious compliments afterwards. It went much better than I ever expected it would.
Hurrah for all of us!
Delia passed the double black stripe belt test this morning. I did not attend, but Rob was there and took pictures. Hopefully I will be able to download and post some of them tomorrow. She was actually not feeling particularly well, but Rob said that she pulled herself together and had a good test.
We also got the word that Fiona passed the third pre-test screening.
Fiona is testing for Black Belt on December 1.
The test will take place at 9:00 a.m. on a Saturday morning, and yes, you are invited. This is the black belt exam which is held quarterly for all the National Karate schools citywide, and it is quite interesting to watch. I will post more information about the exact location later, but again, you are invited to come watch. The whole test takes (I think) about two hours.
As for me, I had two appearances today at the Fantasy Matters conference. The first was the panel on The Wild Swans, held at 8:30 a.m. I read two sections of the novel, one from each storyline. David Lenander suggested the sections, and although I hadn't done those ones at readings before, I thought they were well matched and both suitably dramatic. The first was Elias' second visit to the baths, when he was looking for Sean, and then the scene at Central Park where Sean tells Elias he has AIDS. The second was the scene where William and Jonathan follow Eliza to the graveyard, followed by the scene where she is arrested. The advantage to reading the scenes together was that (hopefully) the juxtaposition made it clear to the listeners that the language describing the men at the baths was exactly the same as the language describing the ghosts in the graveyard. That reading took twenty minutes. It was actually an excellent suggestion on David's part; I think I'd chose those two selections for future readings (if I have many other occasions to do readings from Swans, which probably won't happen, actually. The book is getting harder and harder to obtain, although it isn't quite out of print yet). Then David talked for about a half hour about the novel, relating it to the tradition of fairy tale retellings in general and H.C. Andersen in particular. It was lightly attended, but given the panel time, I expected that.
What totally took me by surprise was the turn out at my presentation on the Heart of Flesh/Heart of Stone. My jaw literally dropped as more and more people came into the room. I thought it would be empty because of the panel opposite on Stardust, but I guess they might have ended it early. Anyway, maybe thirty-five people or so showed up, which was a good turnout. I cut one section of the paper on the fly, but that turned out to be a good decision, because it was really just a secondary example of the point I made in the previous section, and that way, the paper came in at exactly the right amount. NOBODY THREW TOMATOES. On the contrary, there were a gratifying number of thoughtful questions and gracious compliments afterwards. It went much better than I ever expected it would.
Hurrah for all of us!
Most of my thinking about what's going on in the blog commentary about Rowling's remarks on Dumbledore is filtered through my experience in writing The Wild Swans, and particularly the difficulties and uncertainties I experienced in writing about a minority community when I'm not of that minority myself.
As I've told several people, I nearly stopped writing the book several times because I was so troubled about whether I could handle the material properly. (And let's face it, a book about sexuality, marriage, death and religion is just fated to include difficult, fraught and explosive material.) No writer should ever hold out for universal popularity, that's clear, and some people have been kind enough to say that I handled it well. But I was immensely troubled by the same issue that I believe a lot of people have latched onto when thinking about how Rowling handled Dumbledore. And yes, I did get some flack about it.
Specifically, I wrote a book where the gay character's story ended in death and tragedy, and the heterosexual character's story ended in rescue, love and redemption. Given the facts of the AIDS epidemic and the structure of the fairy tale I was basing the book upon, there wasn't much way around that, but it really REALLY bothered me, to the point that it almost made me abandon the book entirely. Because I absolutely didn't want that to be the message that people took away from The Wild Swans, that somehow gay relationships were doomed to tragedy, whereas heterosexual ones were not. I don't believe that it true about these relationships in real life.
sistermagpie has posted about this aspect specifically in complaining about Rowling's remarks about Dumbledore, although she has since locked the entry so that I can't see it.
How did I reconcile this in my mind? Well, I didn't ever manage solve it entirely to my satisfaction, really. I tried to show that Elias and Sean's relationship was the most loving one in the book, even more so than Eliza and Jonathan's, really: although Sean did indeed infect Elias, he didn't turn on him and betray him emotionally the way Jonathan turned on Eliza. And I wanted the ending, at the Quilt, to convey at least some hope, to get across the idea that there still might be a chance to save Elias, if we worked hard enough to break the curse (raising money to fight AIDS, medical treatments, etc.)
( Spoilers for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows here )
As I've told several people, I nearly stopped writing the book several times because I was so troubled about whether I could handle the material properly. (And let's face it, a book about sexuality, marriage, death and religion is just fated to include difficult, fraught and explosive material.) No writer should ever hold out for universal popularity, that's clear, and some people have been kind enough to say that I handled it well. But I was immensely troubled by the same issue that I believe a lot of people have latched onto when thinking about how Rowling handled Dumbledore. And yes, I did get some flack about it.
Specifically, I wrote a book where the gay character's story ended in death and tragedy, and the heterosexual character's story ended in rescue, love and redemption. Given the facts of the AIDS epidemic and the structure of the fairy tale I was basing the book upon, there wasn't much way around that, but it really REALLY bothered me, to the point that it almost made me abandon the book entirely. Because I absolutely didn't want that to be the message that people took away from The Wild Swans, that somehow gay relationships were doomed to tragedy, whereas heterosexual ones were not. I don't believe that it true about these relationships in real life.
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How did I reconcile this in my mind? Well, I didn't ever manage solve it entirely to my satisfaction, really. I tried to show that Elias and Sean's relationship was the most loving one in the book, even more so than Eliza and Jonathan's, really: although Sean did indeed infect Elias, he didn't turn on him and betray him emotionally the way Jonathan turned on Eliza. And I wanted the ending, at the Quilt, to convey at least some hope, to get across the idea that there still might be a chance to save Elias, if we worked hard enough to break the curse (raising money to fight AIDS, medical treatments, etc.)
( Spoilers for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows here )
I posted this over at
bookworms_inc as part of the discussion of The Wild Swans, and I thought I'd cross-post it here for my own reference.
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I thought it might be interesting for people, as they read the book, to take a look at the pictures of the characters that I collected. Often, when I am in the very beginning process of developing a character, I get a vague impression of the person's appearance--and then I see a picture in a magazine, or pass someone in the street, and think, "Oh, so THAT'S what he looks like!" I have been known to go up to total strangers to ask to take their picture because they remind me of someone in my book.
Sometimes the picture I see can have a striking influence. For example, I "saw" Sean one day in the downtown Minneapolis public library (unfortunately, I had no camera with me at the time). He was a handsome young man with a sensitive face and mustache. The key thing was that he was wearing a cream wool Irish sweater. It was that little detail that made me decide to make Sean an Irish musician.
If he had been wearing a Hawaiian shirt, it would have been a completely different book.
This is the picture which started it all:
A few days after I had the dream that I mentioned in the book's afterward, of a silent woman with a striking face, sitting on a park bench in a deserted city park, I ran across this picture in the newspaper. I thought, "Huh, she kind of looks like the woman in my dream." I didn't cut the picture out. A few days later, I was listening to "The Thistle and Shamrock" and a gorgeous woman's voice was singing, "The Bonny Swans." I turned up the radio, wondering who was it who was singing so beautifully. "That was Loreena McKennitt" the announcer said, "who will appearing in concert next week." Loreena McKennitt? I was sure I had read that name recently. Then it occurred to me: that was the name of the woman in the picture in the newspaper. I went and dug it out of the stack and cut it out. The face and the swans: it must be a sign. I went to the phone and ordered tickets to the concert. Her music blew me away: I bought all of her CDs and listened to them over and over while writing the book.
( Other character pictures )
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I thought it might be interesting for people, as they read the book, to take a look at the pictures of the characters that I collected. Often, when I am in the very beginning process of developing a character, I get a vague impression of the person's appearance--and then I see a picture in a magazine, or pass someone in the street, and think, "Oh, so THAT'S what he looks like!" I have been known to go up to total strangers to ask to take their picture because they remind me of someone in my book.
Sometimes the picture I see can have a striking influence. For example, I "saw" Sean one day in the downtown Minneapolis public library (unfortunately, I had no camera with me at the time). He was a handsome young man with a sensitive face and mustache. The key thing was that he was wearing a cream wool Irish sweater. It was that little detail that made me decide to make Sean an Irish musician.
If he had been wearing a Hawaiian shirt, it would have been a completely different book.
This is the picture which started it all:
A few days after I had the dream that I mentioned in the book's afterward, of a silent woman with a striking face, sitting on a park bench in a deserted city park, I ran across this picture in the newspaper. I thought, "Huh, she kind of looks like the woman in my dream." I didn't cut the picture out. A few days later, I was listening to "The Thistle and Shamrock" and a gorgeous woman's voice was singing, "The Bonny Swans." I turned up the radio, wondering who was it who was singing so beautifully. "That was Loreena McKennitt" the announcer said, "who will appearing in concert next week." Loreena McKennitt? I was sure I had read that name recently. Then it occurred to me: that was the name of the woman in the picture in the newspaper. I went and dug it out of the stack and cut it out. The face and the swans: it must be a sign. I went to the phone and ordered tickets to the concert. Her music blew me away: I bought all of her CDs and listened to them over and over while writing the book.
( Other character pictures )
Here's my Brazen Shameless Hussy moment:
bookworms_inc is going to be discussing The Wild Swans for the month of March. Join the community and have it read by March 15, and the second half of the month people will discuss it. See entry here. I'm happy to answer any questions people may have.
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Book club tonight
Jun. 5th, 2006 07:53 amI have been invited to speak at two book clubs this week about The Wild Swans. The first one is tonight. We here in Minnesota joke about Minnesota Nice, a cultural inability to say anything negative about anything. I am curious to see whether Minnesota Nice will operate tonight, since I have heard that the woman who suggested the book to the group and invited me has gotten some angry flak from some in the group about having The Wild Swans nominated as a book club choice. Apparently, more than one person got as far as Chapter 12, the bathhouse scene, and put aside the book in disgust, never finishing it. Nancy says that some members are conservative, believing, among other things, that gays can be turned into heterosexuals if they try hard enough.
So it should be interesting. I have been to six to eight book club meetings, and the reaction has always been extremely positive. It will be my first time facing an audience where at least some are upset by what I've written. Like I've said, I am interested to see whether they will accordingly remain silent during the meetings, which would be the typical Minnesota impulse.
The second book club, I've been told, will have no such problems. The friend/member who nominated the book to that group is a gay woman.
So it should be interesting. I have been to six to eight book club meetings, and the reaction has always been extremely positive. It will be my first time facing an audience where at least some are upset by what I've written. Like I've said, I am interested to see whether they will accordingly remain silent during the meetings, which would be the typical Minnesota impulse.
The second book club, I've been told, will have no such problems. The friend/member who nominated the book to that group is a gay woman.
Just noticed
Aug. 27th, 2003 01:00 pmthat The Wild Swans had a new customer review on Amazon. It's pretty disparaging, too.
If you ever wondered, yeah, authors do read their reviews on Amazon. At least I do. But I couldn't bring myself to read the latest one through all the way.
Bad reviews suck, and there's no point in reading something that would make me feel so bad. I just thought I'd mention that.
Edited to add: You know what I gotta do. I gotta write another book.
If you ever wondered, yeah, authors do read their reviews on Amazon. At least I do. But I couldn't bring myself to read the latest one through all the way.
Bad reviews suck, and there's no point in reading something that would make me feel so bad. I just thought I'd mention that.
Edited to add: You know what I gotta do. I gotta write another book.
Second guessing myself
Aug. 1st, 2003 10:22 pmHave been thinking about the ice palace book, and why I haven't been working on it. Figured some stuff out today. I found myself thinking, with more than a twinge of impatience, that I seem to be able to come up with more reasons not to be writing than any writer I know. ( More )
This is awfully discouraging.
Peg
This is awfully discouraging.
Peg
How . . . boggling
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It's an extremely peculiar sensation to learn that someone is afraid to read your work. After all, I don't consider myself to be a particularly scary person! (Well, that's a guess on my part, judging from the reaction Aja described. But that's what it sounds like to me.)
I find it sad that the interaction didn't work for Aja, too, because I had hoped that The Wild Swans would work exactly as she tried to use it, as something to prompt honest reach-across-the-barrier conversations.
Eh well, maybe Aja's mom will read it yet. Or if not, another book that accomplishes the same purpose.
Peg
Last night of Wiscon
May. 26th, 2003 01:43 amI have been prowling the Wiscon parties. It's late, and I'm tired, and I'm going to one of the "living rooms" discussions at 10:00 a.m. that Pat Murphy is leading tomorrow, on being a mid-career writer (limited to 25. Other participants include Louise Marley, Terri Windling, Delia Sherman, Ellen Kushner, Midori Snyder, etc. Oy.) However, I'm restless, and not quite ready to go to bed.
kijjohnson disappeared part way through the evening, and I'm wondering where she is. Had long great talks with a number of people. Debbie Notkin and I grabbed a moment to re-connect. I told her that when I saw her, I felt a terrible pang, and she said immediately, "I know exactly what you're talking about. You're thinking of Jenna Felice."
( Jenna Felice )
She was too damn young.
Here's a memorial page for Jenna.
Peg
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( Jenna Felice )
She was too damn young.
Here's a memorial page for Jenna.
Peg
Veritaserum in the punch bowl
May. 11th, 2003 02:20 pmI just have to say that I think that the posts from
nocturne_alley about Sirius Black and Remus Lupin's wedding and the train wreck of a wedding reception when George, Fred and Ron accidentally spiked the punch bowl with Veritaserum were both hysterically funny and heartstoppingly wonderful.
And I am SO PROUD that one of the (many) people that Sirius Black was forced to admit that he slept with was Sean Donnelly, one of my characters from The Wild Swans. (Stands up and cheers!)
That is all.
Peg
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And I am SO PROUD that one of the (many) people that Sirius Black was forced to admit that he slept with was Sean Donnelly, one of my characters from The Wild Swans. (Stands up and cheers!)
That is all.
Peg
Okay, so this one made me cry.
Thanks,
musewhipped. And thanks,
vanityfair, for leading her to the book in the first place.
Peg
Thanks,
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Lost book question: The Wild Swans
Mar. 29th, 2003 01:11 pmThanks to
jedmiller who pointed
lemonlye to this site, where you can ask for help finding dimly remembered children's books. I'm definitely going to use this. I've been searching for the book I read as a child that introduced the tale "The Wild Swans" to me. I remember the illustrations so vividly, but I haven't been able to find the book anywhere, even when I went and asked at the Kerlan Collection. The problem is, I don't remember whether it was a stand-alone telling of the tale, or part of an anthology--and heaven knows there are a million Andersen anthologies. Eliza, I think, had reddish-blonde hair. There was one picture of her kneeling, sort of a 1/4 illustration with text around it (I think lower right-hand of the page). It shows her holding a leaf up, and a beam of sunlight was streaming through a hole in the leaf to touch her face.
In one picture she stands with her eleven brothers on the rock in the middle of the ocean. The brothers all look very much alike and are dressed in suits of white. They are all facing the viewer, and Eliza is in the center. That might have been a 1/2 page illustration??
I remember a picture of her dressed as a queen, on the king's arm, walking away at an angle from the viewer. That might also have been a 1/4 page illustration. I think her hair was bound up in a snood set with pearls. He was gesturing, showing her the room hung with green, with a completed shirt hanging from the ceiling.
The last picture I remember was the scene at the end, where Eliza is half-reclining in her brothers' arms in a faint. They are all dressed in white again. I think you see all the red roses on the wood pile behind her and I think you see the white rose. Can't remember if it is on top of the pile or in the king's hand.
I'll try this site, too--but does any one out there remember this book? I desperately want to find it. I had it as a child, growing up in the sixties and seventies.
Cheers,
Peg
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In one picture she stands with her eleven brothers on the rock in the middle of the ocean. The brothers all look very much alike and are dressed in suits of white. They are all facing the viewer, and Eliza is in the center. That might have been a 1/2 page illustration??
I remember a picture of her dressed as a queen, on the king's arm, walking away at an angle from the viewer. That might also have been a 1/4 page illustration. I think her hair was bound up in a snood set with pearls. He was gesturing, showing her the room hung with green, with a completed shirt hanging from the ceiling.
The last picture I remember was the scene at the end, where Eliza is half-reclining in her brothers' arms in a faint. They are all dressed in white again. I think you see all the red roses on the wood pile behind her and I think you see the white rose. Can't remember if it is on top of the pile or in the king's hand.
I'll try this site, too--but does any one out there remember this book? I desperately want to find it. I had it as a child, growing up in the sixties and seventies.
Cheers,
Peg
Interesting: I'm not the only person to see the structural similarities between The Wild Swans and the Glass Harmonica by Louise Marley (see my discussion of The Glass Harmonica in last June's book list). According to ( this reader, )The Wild Swans did not come off very well by comparison.
Peg
Peg
Okay, we'll try this again. (I'm going to embed most of the pictures as hyperlinks this time; hopefully that will allow the entry to load more quickly.)
Elias: Here's the picture I took of the waiter who served me a meal, about six months after I started working on the book. Here's another one.
Patience/Patty here. She was a secretary who worked in my office. Great singing voice, wonderful ribald laugh, and a huge heart.
William/Bill. This man, Vince, was the voice mail technician my law firm hired. Note the long hair, and imagine it, flowing from beneath a Puritan minister's hat. He became my William. I think he also looks like an uncharacteristically cheerful Snape. He had a fascinating build, sort of rangy, and a disconnected, loping walk. Bad teeth, too--good period detail. Six months later he came in with a buzz cut and earring, and I thought--now he's Bill! Here's another one.
And Eliza. Below is the picture that started the whole novel. I had decided to write my next (second) novel based on a fairy tale and was mulling over which one to pick. I had the dream described in the author's afterward, about a woman in black sitting on a park bench, watching swans swim on a gray November day. She seemed so beautiful to me, but didn't speak. The swans made me think that maybe I might retell Andersen's "The Wild Swans." The next day, I found this picture in the newspaper:
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I had never even heard of Loreena McKennitt, but I thought, hmm, she looks like the woman in my dream.
A couple of days later, I heard this gorgeous soprano voice singing "The Bonny Swans." Since swans were on my mind, I turned it up to listen. The announcer said, "That was Loreena McKennitt, who will be appearing in concert this week." Loreena McKennitt? Wasn't that the woman in that newspaper picture? I checked; sure enough it was. I went to the phone and ordered the tickets. At the concert, I bought every single one of her CDs and listened to them the entire time I was writing the book.
Here was another picture that hung on my wall as I was writing it, that reminded me of Eliza. It's a Pre-Raphelite painting called "Flora" done by Evelyn de Morgan.
kijjohnson sent it to me. It has that look-that-pierces-right-through-you, that was also described in that key scene in The French Lieutenant's Woman.
A poster made from the left half of this painting (girl on rock and swans only) hung on my wall during the time I wrote the book, too, and was another strong influence on my mental image of Eliza. (Patricia C. Wrede gave it to me when I started writing it.) Mysterious and beautiful, although in my copy the girl's hair isn't quite so brilliantly red. The swans are perfect, too.
Peg
Elias: Here's the picture I took of the waiter who served me a meal, about six months after I started working on the book. Here's another one.
Patience/Patty here. She was a secretary who worked in my office. Great singing voice, wonderful ribald laugh, and a huge heart.
William/Bill. This man, Vince, was the voice mail technician my law firm hired. Note the long hair, and imagine it, flowing from beneath a Puritan minister's hat. He became my William. I think he also looks like an uncharacteristically cheerful Snape. He had a fascinating build, sort of rangy, and a disconnected, loping walk. Bad teeth, too--good period detail. Six months later he came in with a buzz cut and earring, and I thought--now he's Bill! Here's another one.
And Eliza. Below is the picture that started the whole novel. I had decided to write my next (second) novel based on a fairy tale and was mulling over which one to pick. I had the dream described in the author's afterward, about a woman in black sitting on a park bench, watching swans swim on a gray November day. She seemed so beautiful to me, but didn't speak. The swans made me think that maybe I might retell Andersen's "The Wild Swans." The next day, I found this picture in the newspaper:

I had never even heard of Loreena McKennitt, but I thought, hmm, she looks like the woman in my dream.
A couple of days later, I heard this gorgeous soprano voice singing "The Bonny Swans." Since swans were on my mind, I turned it up to listen. The announcer said, "That was Loreena McKennitt, who will be appearing in concert this week." Loreena McKennitt? Wasn't that the woman in that newspaper picture? I checked; sure enough it was. I went to the phone and ordered the tickets. At the concert, I bought every single one of her CDs and listened to them the entire time I was writing the book.
Here was another picture that hung on my wall as I was writing it, that reminded me of Eliza. It's a Pre-Raphelite painting called "Flora" done by Evelyn de Morgan.
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A poster made from the left half of this painting (girl on rock and swans only) hung on my wall during the time I wrote the book, too, and was another strong influence on my mental image of Eliza. (Patricia C. Wrede gave it to me when I started writing it.) Mysterious and beautiful, although in my copy the girl's hair isn't quite so brilliantly red. The swans are perfect, too.
Peg
Pictures I used in the last book
Sep. 16th, 2002 07:35 amI mentioned in a comment to my last entry that I sometimes will "imprint" on real people when creating a character, and that I actually went back to take a picture of a waiter once because he was Elias.
sundancekid asked if I still had those pictures.
I tried to download these pictures from the files section of the Yahoo group that was set up about The Wild Swans, but readers of my LiveJournal can't see those pictures unless they're already members of that group, I think. I'll try to figure out a way around it, but at any rate, for now you can see the pictures by going to the Yahoo group and joining it, and then you can view the pictures in the files section. The discussion in this Yahoo Group has been pretty quiescent for a while now, but you might join it just to look at all the old messages where I talked about the process of writing it, if you're interested.
Peg
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I tried to download these pictures from the files section of the Yahoo group that was set up about The Wild Swans, but readers of my LiveJournal can't see those pictures unless they're already members of that group, I think. I'll try to figure out a way around it, but at any rate, for now you can see the pictures by going to the Yahoo group and joining it, and then you can view the pictures in the files section. The discussion in this Yahoo Group has been pretty quiescent for a while now, but you might join it just to look at all the old messages where I talked about the process of writing it, if you're interested.
Peg
Have been thinking more about what I learned from writing my last books, and how that could be applied to planning my next. One thing: I did a heavy amount of research into geographical areas that were far from where I lived, i.e., England and New York City. It occurred to me, once, when I was trying to figure out how I could find out what specific stores were open in 1981 on Christopher Street, that there could be an easier way to do this: I could be writing a novel set here in Minnesota. That way I could just call up the local historical society (free local call) if I had a question.
So . . . if I set a fantasy novel set in Minnesota . . .
Here's something that occurred to me today when I heard a radio program that included a snippet of dialogue from Henry IV, Part 1, Act III, Scene 1:
GLENDOWER
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?
What sorts of "creatures from the vasty deep"--fantastical creatures, if you will--would be called if you called them in Minnesota?
Hmm. Trolls. Ice sprites. Maybe some American Indian spirit creatures. Um . . .
"Minnesota" suggests snow and cold, of course (although I find Minnesota cold and snow a bit over-rated; I really don't think it's any worse than in Chicago, where I grew up). What fairy tales include snow and cold? I thought, of course, of "The Snow Queen," but I think I'd like to do a fairy tale by someone other than Andersen this time. Besides, Joan Vinge sort of beat me to that one (I'm reading The Snow Queen for the first time).
I thought of "The Frost King," which I think I read in a collection of Russian fairy tales when I was a kid. (Actually, this fairy tale has the sort of moral I really dislike: mealy-mouthed milquetoast daughter gets rewarded, uppity, mouthy daughter gets shafted. It's very similar to Perrault's tale "Toads and Diamonds" which I re-told with a subversive twist for Amazing Stories in 1986.)
Can anyone else think of any other fairy tales involving cold and snow?
Then I thought about the St. Paul Winter Carnival and the Ice Palace. Here's the one in 1941:

What a perfect setting for a fantasy novel set in the Twin Cities! Did a quick search, found a murder mystery set there, at the 1896 ice palace.
Hmm. Maybe, maybe. Here's a photo poster from the web site of the architectural firm that designed the 1992 ice palace. (Wouldn't something like this make a great book cover?)
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Here's a promotional poster:
(The idea of fairies dancing in a castle of ice, is CERTAINLY suggestive).
Peg, still cogitating
So . . . if I set a fantasy novel set in Minnesota . . .
Here's something that occurred to me today when I heard a radio program that included a snippet of dialogue from Henry IV, Part 1, Act III, Scene 1:
GLENDOWER
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
HOTSPUR
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?
What sorts of "creatures from the vasty deep"--fantastical creatures, if you will--would be called if you called them in Minnesota?
Hmm. Trolls. Ice sprites. Maybe some American Indian spirit creatures. Um . . .
"Minnesota" suggests snow and cold, of course (although I find Minnesota cold and snow a bit over-rated; I really don't think it's any worse than in Chicago, where I grew up). What fairy tales include snow and cold? I thought, of course, of "The Snow Queen," but I think I'd like to do a fairy tale by someone other than Andersen this time. Besides, Joan Vinge sort of beat me to that one (I'm reading The Snow Queen for the first time).
I thought of "The Frost King," which I think I read in a collection of Russian fairy tales when I was a kid. (Actually, this fairy tale has the sort of moral I really dislike: mealy-mouthed milquetoast daughter gets rewarded, uppity, mouthy daughter gets shafted. It's very similar to Perrault's tale "Toads and Diamonds" which I re-told with a subversive twist for Amazing Stories in 1986.)
Can anyone else think of any other fairy tales involving cold and snow?
Then I thought about the St. Paul Winter Carnival and the Ice Palace. Here's the one in 1941:

What a perfect setting for a fantasy novel set in the Twin Cities! Did a quick search, found a murder mystery set there, at the 1896 ice palace.
Hmm. Maybe, maybe. Here's a photo poster from the web site of the architectural firm that designed the 1992 ice palace. (Wouldn't something like this make a great book cover?)

Here's a promotional poster:

(The idea of fairies dancing in a castle of ice, is CERTAINLY suggestive).
Peg, still cogitating
Brainstorming continues . . .
Sep. 8th, 2002 10:00 pmI still have not figured out my next book. But I think I have figured out the book AFTER my next book.
My sister-in-law Tricia, a professor of French literature at University of Wisconsin Eau Claire, was burbling to me recently about the fascinating life of Madam Tussaud (of the wax museum fame). She was sort of the Forrest Gump of the French Revolution: she made the death masks of Louis the XVI, Marie Antoinette, Marat, Robespierre. She was an artist at the Court of Versailles, and then she was in thick with the revolutionaries. Finally, she went to England, where as a single mother, she built a hugely successful business. . .
I thought about Tim Powers' The Stress of Her Regard, which made a fantasy novel out of the stranger-than-fiction lives of Keats, Byron, and Shelley. Why not do something like that, making a fantasy novel out of the life of M. Tussaud? So I called Tricia to pump her for more details. I asked her if she would mind if I took the material and did something with it. She said, no, not really, "although I'd love to do something with you." I have a collaboration going with
kijjohnson already, on hold at the moment. I think I want my next novel to be something I write entirely by myself--I have to remember how to DO that. But Tricia's right: this is good material. Judging from Tricia's description, Madame T. was an extremely determined and strong woman, just the kind of juicy character I'd like to play with, and I also think it would be a great experience to collaborate with Tricia. I like Tricia a lot; it would be fun for us to work together, and having someone who knows a helluva lot more than I do about French history (not to mention the French language, although I can speak it a little) would certainly make everything easier.
That made the decision easy: we will certainly consider doing it together, as a collaboration--after I write my next novel by myself.
So . . . uh . . . that still leaves the question of what my next novel should be. Hmm.
I looked at more Grimm Fairy Tales tonight, and browsed through Bettelheim's The Uses of Enchantment. Nothing quite leaps out at me. I think I need to check out some different fairy tale collections, maybe looking at some more obscure ones. There's also the possibility of expanding upon a ballad;
kijjohnson suggested checking out The Oxford Collection of Narrative Poetry.
Mmm . . .
I do quite admire Powers' work. He likes to take the strange events of history and ask, "Okay, what was really going on here?" and come up with a fantastical explanation, but one which still fits the historical events.
But if I do try to do something like that--well, I did discover one big difference for the writer in writing a book like my first and one like my second: My first novel was in my own made up world. But my second was based on real historical events. If you're dealing with our world's history, even alternate history, it can take a huge amount of effort to get those historical details right. That can be fun, but it can also be anxiety-producing, and a real time sink. With The Wild Swans I also could compare the experience of writing the 17th century section with writing the 20th century section. The 20th century section was much more nerve-wracking, because I knew there were people who were alive who had LIVED through it, and if I didn't try really really hard to get it right, they would throw the book across the room, saying, "No, no, it didn't happen that way at all!"
So: older history is less stressful, and a made up world is less stressful still.
(Or maybe I was just less fussy with my first book???)
Peg, still thinking
My sister-in-law Tricia, a professor of French literature at University of Wisconsin Eau Claire, was burbling to me recently about the fascinating life of Madam Tussaud (of the wax museum fame). She was sort of the Forrest Gump of the French Revolution: she made the death masks of Louis the XVI, Marie Antoinette, Marat, Robespierre. She was an artist at the Court of Versailles, and then she was in thick with the revolutionaries. Finally, she went to England, where as a single mother, she built a hugely successful business. . .
I thought about Tim Powers' The Stress of Her Regard, which made a fantasy novel out of the stranger-than-fiction lives of Keats, Byron, and Shelley. Why not do something like that, making a fantasy novel out of the life of M. Tussaud? So I called Tricia to pump her for more details. I asked her if she would mind if I took the material and did something with it. She said, no, not really, "although I'd love to do something with you." I have a collaboration going with
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That made the decision easy: we will certainly consider doing it together, as a collaboration--after I write my next novel by myself.
So . . . uh . . . that still leaves the question of what my next novel should be. Hmm.
I looked at more Grimm Fairy Tales tonight, and browsed through Bettelheim's The Uses of Enchantment. Nothing quite leaps out at me. I think I need to check out some different fairy tale collections, maybe looking at some more obscure ones. There's also the possibility of expanding upon a ballad;
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Mmm . . .
I do quite admire Powers' work. He likes to take the strange events of history and ask, "Okay, what was really going on here?" and come up with a fantastical explanation, but one which still fits the historical events.
But if I do try to do something like that--well, I did discover one big difference for the writer in writing a book like my first and one like my second: My first novel was in my own made up world. But my second was based on real historical events. If you're dealing with our world's history, even alternate history, it can take a huge amount of effort to get those historical details right. That can be fun, but it can also be anxiety-producing, and a real time sink. With The Wild Swans I also could compare the experience of writing the 17th century section with writing the 20th century section. The 20th century section was much more nerve-wracking, because I knew there were people who were alive who had LIVED through it, and if I didn't try really really hard to get it right, they would throw the book across the room, saying, "No, no, it didn't happen that way at all!"
So: older history is less stressful, and a made up world is less stressful still.
(Or maybe I was just less fussy with my first book???)
Peg, still thinking